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Д.</given-names></name><name name-style="western" xml:lang="en"><surname>Belov</surname><given-names>M. D.</given-names></name></name-alternatives><bio xml:lang="ru"><p>Белов Михаил Дмитриевич — студент</p><p>Москва</p></bio><bio xml:lang="en"><p>Belov Mikael Dmitrievich — student</p><p>Moscow</p></bio><email xlink:type="simple">mikaelbelov@gmail.com</email><xref ref-type="aff" rid="aff-1"/></contrib><contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="yes"><contrib-id contrib-id-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0874-5272</contrib-id><name-alternatives><name name-style="eastern" xml:lang="ru"><surname>Ерофеева</surname><given-names>М. А.</given-names></name><name name-style="western" xml:lang="en"><surname>Erofeeva</surname><given-names>M. A.</given-names></name></name-alternatives><bio xml:lang="ru"><p>Ерофеева Мария Александровна — кандидат социологических наук, научный сотрудник; доцент Факультета социальных наук </p><p>Москва</p><p> </p></bio><bio xml:lang="en"><p>Erofeeva Maria Aleksandrovna — Candidate of Sociological Sciences, Researcher at the Center for Sociological Research; Senior Lecturer of the Faculty of Social Sciences </p><p>Moscow</p></bio><email xlink:type="simple">erofeeva-ma@ranepa.ru</email><xref ref-type="aff" rid="aff-2"/></contrib></contrib-group><aff-alternatives id="aff-1"><aff xml:lang="ru">МВШСЭН<country>Россия</country></aff><aff xml:lang="en">MSSES<country>Russian Federation</country></aff></aff-alternatives><aff-alternatives id="aff-2"><aff xml:lang="ru">РАНХиГС; МВШСЭН<country>Россия</country></aff><aff xml:lang="en">RANEPA; MSSES<country>Russian Federation</country></aff></aff-alternatives><pub-date pub-type="collection"><year>2022</year></pub-date><pub-date pub-type="epub"><day>29</day><month>01</month><year>2025</year></pub-date><volume>34</volume><issue>3-4</issue><fpage>50</fpage><lpage>71</lpage><permissions><copyright-statement>Copyright &amp;#x00A9; Белов М.Д., Ерофеева М.А., 2025</copyright-statement><copyright-year>2025</copyright-year><copyright-holder xml:lang="ru">Белов М.Д., Ерофеева М.А.</copyright-holder><copyright-holder xml:lang="en">Belov M.D., Erofeeva M.A.</copyright-holder><license license-type="creative-commons-attribution" xlink:href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/" xlink:type="simple"><license-p>This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.</license-p></license></permissions><self-uri xlink:href="https://socofpower.ranepa.ru/jour/article/view/32">https://socofpower.ranepa.ru/jour/article/view/32</self-uri><abstract><p>За время существования конверсационного анализа (СА) ученые обнаружили множество систем организации действия (машинерий), описывающих то, как происходит смена говорящих, какие действия являются ожидаемыми, и как поддерживается интерсубъективность в разговоре. Однако, когда Джон Херитедж предлагает новую машинерию, изучающую ориентацию участников взаимодействия на знание, между конверс-аналитиками разгорается дискуссия, в которой Майкл Линч и его коллеги радикальные этнометодологи обрушиваются на эпистемику с критикой. Спор начинается с того, что Линч обвиняет Херитеджа в когнитивизме и внеситуативной природе эпистемики, при том, что исследования по этнометодологии и конверсационному анализу традиционно фокусируются на ситуативных действиях. Дискуссия об эпистемике указывает на внутреннее напряжение в СА относительно того, где проходят границы ситуаций и что, таким образом, может попасть в фокус внимания СА. В этой статье осуществляется реактуализация проблемы ситуативности в СА на основании анализа аргументов в дискуссии об эпистемике. Авторы показывают, что эпистемика и споры вокруг нее являются для СА серьезным испытанием, обнажающим концептуальную проблему, до сих пор остававшуюся в тени, — соотношения и потенциальной иерархии различных машинерий. Обращаясь к истокам понятия ситуативности в трудах Гофмана и Сакса, авторы демонстрируют, что для противоборствующих сторон локализация феноменов внутри ситуаций является аналитическим решением относительно того, что можно увидеть в эмпирических данных. В противоположность этому, различение позиции аналитика и участника взаимодействия смещает фокус исследовательского внимания на то, как машинерии становятся релевантными для взаимодействующих, то есть как реализуется их повсеместная релевантность. Авторы аргументируют, что это более продуктивная постановка вопроса, чем вопрос о границах ситуации.</p></abstract><trans-abstract xml:lang="en"><p>Over the lifetime of Conversation Analysis (CA), scholars have discovered many systems of action organisation (machineries) describing how conversational turns occur, what actions are expected, and how intersubjectivity in conversation is maintained. However, when John Heritage proposed a new machinery that examines the knowledge orientation of participants in interactions, a debate broke out between conversation analysts in which Michael Lynch and his colleagues in radical ethnomethodology descend upon on epistemics. The controversy begins with Lynch accusing Heritage of cognitivism and the extra-situational nature of epistemics, while research on ethnomethodology and conversation analysis has traditionally focused on situated action. The discussion of epistemics points to an internal tension in CA as to where the boundaries of situations lie and what, therefore, can be the focus of CA. This article reactualises the problem of situationality in CA by analysing the arguments in the debate on epistemics. The authors show that epistemics and the debates surrounding it constitute a serious test for CA, revealing a conceptual problem that has hitherto been obscured — the relation and potential hierarchy of different machineries. Turning to the origins of the concept of situationality in the writings of Goffman and Sacks, the authors demonstrate that for opposing sides, the localisation of phenomena within situations is an analytical decision about what can be seen in empirical data. In contrast, distinguishing between the position of the analyst and the participant in the interaction shifts the analyst’s attention to how the machineries become relevant to the interactants, that is, how their omnirelevance is realised. The authors argue that this is a more productive formulation of the question than that of the boundaries of the situation.</p></trans-abstract><kwd-group xml:lang="ru"><kwd>ситуативность</kwd><kwd>организация действия</kwd><kwd>порядок взаимодействия</kwd><kwd>радикальная этнометодология</kwd><kwd>когнитивизм</kwd><kwd>аналитическое и обыденное</kwd></kwd-group><kwd-group xml:lang="en"><kwd>situationality</kwd><kwd>action organization</kwd><kwd>interaction order</kwd><kwd>radical ethnomethodology</kwd><kwd>cognitivism</kwd><kwd>analytical and lay</kwd></kwd-group></article-meta></front><back><ref-list><title>References</title><ref id="cit1"><label>1</label><citation-alternatives><mixed-citation xml:lang="ru">Гофман И. (2004) Анализ фреймов: Эссе об организации повседневного опыта. Институт социологии РАН, Институт Фонда «Общественное мнение».</mixed-citation><mixed-citation xml:lang="en">Goffman E. (2004) Frame analysis: An essay on the organization of experience. 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